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RØßÓ An Icon Offline HARDY WILL NOT DIE! Posts: 3746 Rochdale UK Gender:	Re: HBK's WWE Future Reply #50 - 11/02/09 at 7:46pm I agree, Kurt is an amazing wrestler ad has put on many great matches including his match with HBK at WM21 and with Benoit at WM... He might not be very good now but he sure as hell was one top performer
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Reply #51 - 11/02/09 at 8:09pm

RKOkiller wrote on 11/02/09 at 5:00pm:

Shawn Michaels is great there is no question about that. But for you to say that Angle is just decent in the ring is a joke. The guy can wrestle. He has put on countless amazing matches with so many guys. Undertaker, The Rock, Brock Lesnar, Micahels, Triple H and I can go on and on.

Kurt Angle is the full package. He was so very over in the WWE as a face or a heel he could do anything and the fans were behind him or against him. He had the perfect gimmick, awesome on the mic and a phenomenal in the ring, Kurt will go down as one of the best wrestlers of all time.

Here here. Easily top 10 in my opinion at this time. Hell top 5.

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Reply #53 - 11/02/09 at 10:59pm

Hey, I'm usually content just to read the forums without posting but this thread is just ridiculous.

Let me just state this outright before you all jump on me. HBK is easily one of the greatest of all time. And defiantly in my personal top 5.

But god damn! Ya'll need to lose your freaking hard on for Shawn Michaels. The man is absolutely great but people here are acting like its a cardinal sin to like someone more or even to criticize him! Y2Jake brought up some excellent points but the stock response for everyone seemed to be to brush them aside and just keep wanking HBK. To seriously say Kurt Angle is only 'decent' compared to our Lord and Savior Shawn Michaels is just stunning to me.

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Reply #54 - 11/02/09 at 11:19pm

Dylax16873 wrote on 11/02/09 at 10:59pm:

Hey, I'm usually content just to read the forums without posting but this thread is just ridiculous.

Let me just state this outright before you all jump on me. HBK is easily one of the greatest of all time. And defiantly in my personal top 5.

But god damn! Ya'll need to lose your freaking hard on for Shawn Michaels. The man is absolutely great but people here are acting like its a cardinal sin to like someone more or even to criticize him! Y2Jake brought up some excellent points but the stock response for everyone seemed to be to brush them aside and just keep wanking HBK. To seriously say Kurt Angle is only 'decent' compared to our Lord and Savior Shawn Michaels is just stunning to me.

To be fair, I believe there was only one person that ripped Kurt. And several of us immediately jumped to Kurts defense today.

Y2Jake did bring up some solid points, but he also said Shawn was shit, which he later retracted as a mere phrase of speech. So each comment to be taken with a grain of salt. This is a message board, so its just an opinion. Obviously many people's opinion is that HBK is great, which I share. I don't care if you rip on him though, just keep it within reason. Same as I understand when people rip HHH, but after awhile once it starts getting out of hand I feel the need to jump in with the voice of reason. So be it if Y2Jake is a voice of reason against Shawn, for this post anyways.

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Reply #55 - 11/02/09 at 11:27pm

Chicago wrote on 11/02/09 at 11:19pm:

Dylax16873 wrote on 11/02/09 at 10:59pm:

Hey, I'm usually content just to read the forums without posting but this thread is just ridiculous.

Let me just state this outright before you all jump on me. HBK is easily one of the greatest of all time. And defiantly in my personal top 5.

But god damn! Ya'll need to lose your freaking hard on for Shawn Michaels. The man is absolutely great but people here are acting like its a cardinal sin to like someone more or even to criticize him! Y2Jake brought up some excellent points but the stock response for everyone seemed to be to brush them aside and just keep wanking HBK. To seriously say Kurt Angle is only 'decent' compared to our Lord and Savior Shawn Michaels is just stunning to me.

To be fair, I believe there was only one person that ripped Kurt. And several of us immediately jumped to Kurts defense today.

Y2Jake did bring up some solid points, but he also said Shawn was shit, which he later retracted as a mere phrase of speech. So each comment to be taken with a grain of salt. This is a message board, so its just an opinion. Obviously many people's opinion is that HBK is great, which I share. I don't care if you rip on him though, just keep it within reason. Same as I understand when people rip HHH, but after awhile once it starts getting out of hand I feel the need to jump in with the voice of reason. So be it if Y2Jake is a voice of reason against Shawn, for this post anyways.

'Tis all true. And I suppose I didn't give enough (well any) credit to the Kurt Defenders. But I do think people need to remember that Michaels is a man and not God Incarnate which is totally the vibe I was getting while reading.

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Reply #56 - 11/02/09 at 11:33pm

Dylax16873 wrote on 11/02/09 at 11:27pm:

Chicago wrote on 11/02/09 at 11:19pm:

Dylax16873 wrote on 11/02/09 at 10:59pm:

Hey, I'm usually content just to read the forums without posting but this thread is just ridiculous.

Let me just state this outright before you all jump on me. HBK is easily one of the greatest of all time. And defiantly in my personal top 5.

But god damn! Ya'll need to lose your freaking hard on for Shawn Michaels. The man is absolutely great but people here are acting like its a cardinal sin to like someone more or even to criticize him! Y2Jake brought up some excellent points but the stock response for everyone seemed to be to brush them aside and just keep wanking HBK. To seriously say Kurt Angle is only 'decent' compared to our Lord and Savior Shawn Michaels is just stunning to me.

To be fair, I believe there was only one person that ripped Kurt. And several of us immediately jumped to Kurts defense today.

Y2Jake did bring up some solid points, but he also said Shawn was shit, which he later retracted as a mere phrase of speech. So each comment to be taken with a grain of salt. This is a message board, so its just an opinion. Obviously many people's opinion is that HBK is great, which I share. I don't care if you rip on him though, just keep it within reason. Same as I understand when people rip HHH, but after awhile once it starts getting out of hand I feel the need to jump in with the voice of reason. So be it if Y2Jake is a voice of reason against Shawn, for this post anyways.

'Tis all true. And I suppose I didn't give enough (well any) credit to the Kurt Defenders. But I do think people need to remember that Michaels is a man and not God Incarnate which is totally the vibe I was getting while reading.

Well said. Michaels is not god. Every wrestler has thier flaws no one is a perfect wrestler.

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Reply #58 - 11/03/09 at 7:16am

RØßÓ wrote on 11/01/09 at 2:03pm:

Y2Jake you're sounding like a child, saying that Cena vs Batista was a good match because it was based on signature moves is plain stupid

You said it was based on signature moves, I asked what moves people want to see. That was your assesment, not mine.

RØßÓ wrote on 11/01/09 at 2:03pm:

Cena and JBL's I Quit match was slow and boring and neither of them have any hardcore skills

Slow and boring? Is it fuck. Anyway, what's wrong with a slow match? I don't remember HBK having a fast paced match in a while now.

RØßÓ wrote on 11/01/09 at 2:03pm:

How do you know that I'm basing my opinion on Cena and Orton's previous 2 PPV matches? I wasn't, the whole feud wasn't that bad promo wise but the matches were lame

Your ignorance is amazing. While you'll say that almost everything HBK does is amazing, you'll give almost no credit to Cena. His match against Orton two years ago at SummerSlam is one of the best of recent years.

RØßÓ wrote on 11/01/09 at 2:03pm:

Taker wrestles the same style in every match with 50% of the match being his signature moves so therefore he doesn't change styles at all

Yes, because the Undertaker wrestles in the exact same style he did when he made his debut, when he was world champion in 1997 and when he returned as the Deadmanin 2004.

RØßÓ wrote on 11/01/09 at 2:03pm:

How's HBK supposed to change promo styles when both feuds were about his personal life and his opponent threatening to end his career, I doubt anyone would have been able to

You don't watch many films, do you?

RØßÓ wrote on 11/01/09 at 2:03pm:

Of course you can't compare HBK's current matches with anybody else's current matches because he hasn't had any proper singles matches since WM25

He's been around for 6 months of the year, that's sufficient. You can also take into account the past couple of years of his career.

RØßÓ wrote on 11/01/09 at 2:03pm:

Edge has had some good matches in his history and he still has a while to go but it still doesn't comare to HBK's and Cena never will, that's obvious!

Recently! I'm talking about recently.

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Reply #59 - 11/03/09 at 7:36am

CenaSucks wrote on 11/01/09 at 4:52pm:

Are you serious? Are you seriously going to say that all those guys you listed are better then Shawn Michaels? Here we go again.

Currently, yes, of course I am.

CenaSucks wrote on 11/01/09 at 4:52pm:

First of all,don't even fucking mention Mysterio.He's absolute fucking garbage in the ring and on the mic and deserves to be in TNA jobbing to Kurt Angle.He can't wrestle for jack shit.He sure as hell can't cut a promo.What fucking value does he have?

That would make sense if Rey Mysterio hadn't been having brilliant matches all year long.

CenaSucks wrote on 11/01/09 at 4:52pm:

And Cena? Are you seriously comparing the in ring skills of JOHN CENA to those of SHAWN MICHAELS.That's like comparing Triple H and the fucking Great Khali.Cena has good mic skills,but still no where near the level of HBK and in ring skills Cena get murdered.

Watch the Cena/HBK matches again and see who takes the lead.

CenaSucks wrote on 11/01/09 at 4:52pm:

Edge? Really? Edge!?!? Edge lacks a few vital skills.Edge is exceptional as a heel.Absolute trash as a face.His mic skills are solid,but he can only cut a good promo if he's talking trash or bashing the fans.Same with his in ring skills,good,but how the hell are you comparing him to Shawn Michaels?

I'm taking Edge and comparing his overall performances against Shawn Michaels, the end result is that Edge has been consistently better.

How is Edge a poor face when for most of his career he's been a heel and for the three years he's been as a face he was well liked? Only in 2004 did people turn on him, what did he do? He changed.

CenaSucks wrote on 11/01/09 at 4:52pm:

Randy Orton? I don't know where the hell to begin.The most impressive Randy Orton's ever been in a wrestling ring is when he hit a dropkick.The guy cuts the same slow boring ass promo week in and week out then wrestles the same match by getting pounded,then hitting a backbreaker,flipping out,hitting an RKO,and he wins.I just described every Randy Orton segment from the past 2 years.

The last 5 years, actually.

What does HBK do other than get beaten on for most of the match before making a comeback? Less than Orton would be the correct answer.

CenaSucks wrote on 11/01/09 at 4:52pm:

Where the fuck did CM Punk come from? That piece of trash should still be over on ECW.The only thing he knows to say on a microphone is variations of

"I'm the shit because I'm Straight Edge"

Not to mention his tremendous talent of "I Told You So".One of the most overrated of all time is CM Punk.Yet you compare him to the best of all time.Nice going Wink

Obviously a lack of reading ability is your downfall. For the past few posts I've been talking about who's currently better than HBK, how is CM Punk not?

CenaSucks wrote on 11/01/09 at 4:52pm:

Hmmm let's see who's next up their,well their we have The Undertaker.The Undertaker.Comparing the Undertaker to Shawn Michaels.Hmm let me just put it this way.Undertaker-Good.However

In The Ring
Undertaker >>>>>>>> Shawn Michaels

On The Mic
Undertaker >>>>>>>>>>> Shawn Michaels

Entertainment
Undertaker >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shawn Michaels

I agree Undertaker is way better.

Undertaker >>>>>>> HBK, just like you said. Not HBK >>>>>Undertaker, like I assume you intended.

CenaSucks wrote on 11/01/09 at 4:52pm:

Undertaker's good,but just like Randy Orton it's only his gimmick that makes him what he is.Decent skills.Amazing gimmick.

You can go year by yeah if you like to see who's better? Yhey both had the best match at this years WrestleMania, but who had the better match at last years show? If you think that HBK & Ric Flair had the better match you're clearly deluded.

CenaSucks wrote on 11/01/09 at 4:52pm:

Triple H is pretty close,but still no.I still think Shawn Michaels is much better on the mic,and in the ring.Triple H is what he is because of determination and his work ethic,Shawn Michaels just has a natural talent.

You HBK mic skills argument holds no water. If good, not great.

You say HHHH is only where he is because of determination & work ethic like it's a bad thing.

CenaSucks wrote on 11/01/09 at 4:52pm:

And your last one made me laugh.Thus is actually pretty funny.You said Jericho's better.Then this about Shawn Michaels

That's pretty funny seeing that Chris Jericho has been cutting carbon copies of the same promo for the last year.

*Walks out and slowly stares at the crowd*

"I got screwed last week.I am the best in the world.And you hypocrites and liars can look at all your so called 'heroes' and see how I've defeated them all.I beat Stone Cold Steve Austin & The Rock in the same night to become the first ever Undisputed Champion."

Sure, I agree, the one promo he cuts has become very lame. But at the same time, D-X are hardly coming up with any new stuff now, are they?

CenaSucks wrote on 11/01/09 at 4:52pm:

Bla bla bla.All he does is insult the crowd and run down his career.If you call that entertaining I dunno what world your in.And seeing that all Jerichio does these days in the ring is yell at his opponents and smack them until he gets his ass kicked he's not that good a wrestler,let alone being compared to Shawn Michaels.

But all Shawn Michaels does these days is get his ass kicked, then Triple H saves him or he makes the same return he's done for the past 7 years.

CenaSucks wrote on 11/01/09 at 4:52pm:

As for Bret Hart,the most overrated person to ever wrestle,I've already talked about the countless things wrong with him.Not to mention I've argued about it with you Jake.Hart's garbage.Plain and simple.In the ring.On the mic.Hell even his boring ass personality sucks too.Who the fuck holds a grudge on someone for being a jerk 13 years ago?

That's retarded. You might not like him, I sure as hell don't like Orton, Cena or Triple H. But to say he's garbage is ridiculous.

CenaSucks wrote on 11/01/09 at 4:52pm:

You have about 1,maybe 2 good comparisons.But the rest your just being crazy.I really just find it frustrating that you just bash Shawn Michaels,then come up with these ludacris explanations,and act like their's nothing wrong with what your saying.One example being how you just compared Rey Fucking Mysterio to Shawn Michaels and then acting like it's reasonable.

But here's the thing, I like Shawn Michaels. I grew up watching him, he's a brilliant performer. The best of all time? Not a chance.

What's crazy is mindlessly saying somebody is the best then saying that everybody else isn't as good. If I was talking about who was better in the late 90's, I'd have slightly more trouble. But as for saying who's better than HBK now, that's easy, it's most people above a certain level.

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Reply #60 - 11/03/09 at 12:12pm

Y 2 Jake wrote on 11/03/09 at 7:36am:

That would make sense if Rey Mysterio hadn't been having brilliant matches all year long.

How the hell are Rey Mysterio's matches 'brilliant'? The guy gets pounded for 20 minutes,hits 2 kicks,619,some fruity dive,123 hooray he wins again.Te only good matches he's had were with Chris Jericho,but those were good because of the stipulations which made them exciting and the way they were booked having so many near falls.Not do to Mysterio's 'brilliant skills'.

Y 2 Jake wrote on 11/03/09 at 7:36am:

Watch the Cena/HBK matches again and see who takes the lead.

I've seen those matches.And just as an example,just in the first 10 minutes of their Wrestlemania 23 match,in all 10 minutes, John Cena hit 2 clotheslines and Shawn Michaels was on offense the rest of those 10 minutes.That's just a little taste of 'who took control'.And then to add to the stupidity of Cena,the leg injury that Michaels worked on and the commentators emphasized for the first 15 minutes of the match,Cena decided to act like it never happened.He got his momentum shift and then starts running around like it's all fine and dandy.

Y 2 Jake wrote on 11/03/09 at 7:36am:

I'm taking Edge and comparing his overall performances against Shawn Michaels, the end result is that Edge has been consistently better.

How is Edge a poor face when for most of his career he's been a heel and for the three years he's been as a face he was well liked? Only in 2004 did people turn on him, what did he do? He changed.

How can you say Edge was a good face? If he was so good as a face then he would've gotten his big push in either 2002 or 2004 as a face.Don't you remember just how cheesy Edge was in 2002? The guy was pulling practical jokes and acting like a 7 year old around Hulk Hogan.If that's not credible I don't know what is.

Y 2 Jake wrote on 11/03/09 at 7:36am:

What does HBK do other than get beaten on for most of the match before making a comeback? Less than Orton would be the correct answer.

Actually HBK does alot more.Sometimes his matches go back and forth.Or other times (Like in Cena vs Michaels) he takes control and can wrestle in a variety of different ways.He's a good mat and submission wrestler,he can use speed,or he can be a high flyer.

Y 2 Jake wrote on 11/03/09 at 7:36am:

Obviously a lack of reading ability is your downfall. For the past few posts I've been talking about who's currently better than HBK, how is CM Punk not?

My lack of reading skills? You say how's he not better,yet that's after I just said he's trash and has no mic skills.

Y 2 Jake wrote on 11/03/09 at 7:36am:

I agree Undertaker is way better.

Undertaker >>>>>>> HBK, just like you said. Not HBK >>>>>Undertaker, like I assume you intended.

You can go year by yeah if you like to see who's better? Yhey both had the best match at this years WrestleMania, but who had the better match at last years show? If you think that HBK & Ric Flair had the better match you're clearly deluded.

They're supposed to be arrows smart one.And I'm the one with the bad reading skills.And go 'year by year'?!? Please don't even get me started.Undertaker takes 7 months off every year and wrestles maybe at all 4 big PPV's.And when the hell did I say Shawn Michaels vs Ric Flair was good? Besides I would like to have seen Undertaker put on a good match with a retiring 60 year old man.Go year by year,you'll just prove me right.

Y 2 Jake wrote on 11/03/09 at 7:36am:

You say HHHH is only where he is because of determination & work ethic like it's a bad thing.

I didn't say it's a bad thing.It's a really good thing actually.My point is though if most of the guys in the buisness put in the endless time and effort in the gym and studying the sport as Triple H did the can be just as good.

Y 2 Jake wrote on 11/03/09 at 7:36am:

Sure, I agree, the one promo he cuts has become very lame. But at the same time, D-X are hardly coming up with any new stuff now, are they?

But all Shawn Michaels does these days is get his ass kicked, then Triple H saves him or he makes the same return he's done for the past 7 years.

But DX still manages to entertain every week,something Jericho fails at.Also your not taking into consideration the singles matches Michaels has had lately.Sure all their DX matches are the same,but what the hell do you want DX just walks in stomps their opponents and wins?

Y 2 Jake wrote on 11/03/09 at 7:36am:

That's retarded. You might not like him, I sure as hell don't like Orton, Cena or Triple H. But to say he's garbage is ridiculous.

Bret Hart is overrated,like him or not.We've been over this already.The guy has no mic skills.And his in ring skills are overrated.He's not terrible in the ring,not really bad either,but people make him out to be this like legendary perfect wrestler meanwhile he's not even close.

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Reply #61 - 11/03/09 at 6:01pm

CenaSucks wrote on 11/03/09 at 12:12pm:

[quote author=7B7D107D68434947220 link=1256662256/59#59 date=1257251803]

Bret Hart is overrated,like him or not.We've been over this already.The guy has no mic skills.And his in ring skills are overrated.He's not terrible in the ring,not really bad either,but people make him out to be this like legendary perfect wrestler meanwhile he's not even close.

lol. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

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Reply #63 - 11/03/09 at 8:58pm

Chicago wrote on 11/03/09 at 6:05pm:

The proverbial dead horse has been beaten with this subject. Now its just annoying. Neither side is going to agree with each other, but somehow it just keeps going back and forth.

Lmao It sucks though! Me and Jake get into arguements like this weekly and it never stops.Even if we stop now it's gonna happen again next week.I hate his guts dammit!

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Reply #64 - 11/04/09 at 7:44am

CenaSucks wrote on 11/03/09 at 12:12pm:

How the hell are Rey Mysterio's matches 'brilliant'? The guy gets pounded for 20 minutes,hits 2 kicks,619,some fruity dive,123 hooray he wins again.Te only good matches he's had were with Chris Jericho,but those were good because of the stipulations which made them exciting and the way they were booked having so many near falls.Not do to Mysterio's 'brilliant skills'.

You seem lost. HBK get's beaten down for 20 minutes before his miraculous comeback.

Rey has also gotten half decent matches out of mediocre workers like Ziggler & Morrison, he put on the best sequence in his Elimination chamber match, he had a fatal four way just after WrestleMania on Smackdown that was brilliant and his feud with Batista will produce quality matches. That's from this year alone.

Y 2 Jake wrote on 11/03/09 at 7:36am:

I've seen those matches.And just as an example,just in the first 10 minutes of their Wrestlemania 23 match,in all 10 minutes, John Cena hit 2 clotheslines and Shawn Michaels was on offense the rest of those 10 minutes.That's just a little taste of 'who took control'.And then to add to the stupidity of Cena,the leg injury that Michaels worked on and the commentators emphasized for the first 15 minutes of the match,Cena decided to act like it never happened.He got his momentum shift and then starts running around like it's all fine and dandy.

Yeah, Cena fucked up with the leg. But you're still ignoring the majority of the match. There's also their match in London.

HBK's whole routine as a face is him getting beaten down, why would that change for two matches with Cena? The answer is, he didn't. Cena is on offence for the majority of the match, just like everybody else in in HBK matches.

Y 2 Jake wrote on 11/03/09 at 7:36am:

How can you say Edge was a good face? If he was so good as a face then he would've gotten his big push in either 2002 or 2004 as a face.

He did get his big push in 2002, did you miss the Kurt Angle, Eddie Guerrero and tag title feuds?

In 2004, like I said, he was shit and when people turned on him he changed. Now he's easily one of the better workers and he's certainly one of the top talker in the promotion.

CenaSucks wrote on 11/03/09 at 12:12pm:

Don't you remember just how cheesy Edge was in 2002? The guy was pulling practical jokes and acting like a 7 year old around Hulk Hogan.If that's not credible I don't know what is.

Holding tag titles with Hulk Hogan is pretty credible if you ask, well, almost anybody.

Y 2 Jake wrote on 11/03/09 at 7:36am:

[quote author=52747F706264727A625847110 link=1256662256/60#60 date=1257268378]Actually HBK does alot more.Sometimes his matches go back and forth.Or other times (Like in Cena vs Michaels) he takes control and can wrestle in a variety of different ways.He's a good mat and submission wrestler,he can use speed,or he can be a high flyer.

HBK isn't a mat wrestler. A prime example of a mat wrestler is somebody who bores most people, like Dead Malenko. The odd Figure 4 doesn't make you a mat wrestler. He also doesn't use speed anymore, notice how he can hardly run? And he's never been as much of a high flyer as people make out. He does to hight impact moves, but the definition of a high flyer would be a luchadore.

Y 2 Jake wrote on 11/03/09 at 7:36am:

My lack of reading skills? You say how's he not better,yet that's after I just said he's trash and has no mic skills.

''How is he not?'' is what I said, as in how is CM Punk not better than HBK right now.

Y 2 Jake wrote on 11/03/09 at 7:36am:

They're supposed to be arrows smart one.And I'm the one with the bad reading skills.

Yes, I know, but you had your wrestlers the wrong way rounds. ''>>>'' that means better, or something similar.

CenaSucks wrote on 11/03/09 at 12:12pm:

And go 'year by year'?!? Please don't even get me started.Undertaker takes 7 months off every year and wrestles maybe at all 4 big PPV's.

Now you are aware of who else takes lots of time off? I'll give you a clue, when he comes back he doesn't work house shows and he doesn't return unless his contract is bumped up.

CenaSucks wrote on 11/03/09 at 12:12pm:

And when the hell did I say Shawn Michaels vs Ric Flair was good? Besides I would like to have seen Undertaker put on a good match with a retiring 60 year old man.

You didn't, it was an assumption. HBK can turn turds to gold, or so I've heard.

CenaSucks wrote on 11/03/09 at 12:12pm:

Go year by year,you'll just prove me right.

I'll let you go first.

Y 2 Jake wrote on 11/03/09 at 7:36am:

But DX still manages to entertain every week,something Jericho fails at.

Jericho isn't supposed to cut entertaining promos, that's the point.

CenaSucks wrote on 11/03/09 at 12:12pm:

Also your not taking into consideration the singles matches Michaels has had lately.Sure all their DX matches are the same,but what the hell do you want DX just walks in stomps their opponents and wins?

D-X have had different matches recently. It's the promos that are all the same. When you're in a match with three or 13 other wrestlers you're going to have variety. It's when he's on his own he'll struggle.

Y 2 Jake wrote on 11/03/09 at 7:36am:

Bret Hart is overrated,like him or not.We've been over this already.The guy has no mic skills.And his in ring skills are overrated.He's not terrible in the ring,not really bad either,but people make him out to be this like legendary perfect wrestler meanwhile he's not even close.

I think somebody already answered that better than I every could.

CenaSucks wrote on 11/03/09 at 8:58pm:

Lmao It sucks though! Me and Jake get into arguements like this weekly and it never stops.Even if we stop now it's gonna happen again next week.I hate his guts dammit!

I've not even bothered to learn your name to be honest. If you're the same person I talk to each week then it's news to me. I was under the impression it was a variety of different people.

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Reply #66 - 11/07/09 at 10:50am

CenaSucks wrote on 11/07/09 at 9:36am:

Alright since we can keep this going for years,and I can really let loose on you,I'm gonna just end it by saying to you what you said prior,and it's surprisingly true.So Y2Jake,

Y 2 Jake wrote on 11/03/09 at 7:16am:

Your ignorance is amazing.

Why don't you let loose?

What is ignorant about me? Because I don't know you're name? You're not special, I don't bother to learn many names on forums. I'm only posting for the benfit of myself, I'm not intrested in others for the most part. You've confused ignorance with a lack of intrest.

If you don't want to continue with the thread then just leave it. It really is that simple. There were three days between my last post and the one you made today. It was done as far as I was concerned. But now I'm curious to see you let loose, as you were obviously letting me have it easy in the previous couple of posts.

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Reply #67 - 11/07/09 at 8:05pm

Who the hell said anything about learning names? I don't care if you know my name or not.

And what I mean is it gets annoying to have to debate about the same freaking thing every damn day and then have you repeat the same thing over and over,and even though half the time your wrong you keep going like their's nothing wrong with your bland pointless arguement!

Dammit I'm done with this thread and done with debating with you!

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Reply #69 - 11/08/09 at 6:34am

CenaSucks wrote on 11/07/09 at 8:05pm:

And what I mean is it gets annoying to have to debate about the same freaking thing every damn day

But you don't have to reply, do you?

CenaSucks wrote on 11/07/09 at 8:05pm:

and then have you repeat the same thing over and over,

Not really, each post is different. If they're similar it's because I'm replying to something I've already answered.

CenaSucks wrote on 11/07/09 at 8:05pm:

and even though half the time your wrong you keep going like their's nothing wrong with your bland pointless arguement!

There's nothing wrong with being incorrect sometimes. I'm sure I am at least 50% of the time. But when you're argument centered around, not how HBK was the best, but how everybody else was worse than him, then you're wrong a hell of a lot more than I am.

CenaSucks wrote on 11/07/09 at 8:05pm:

Dammit I'm done with this thread and done with debating with you!

There really isn't any need to broadcast it. You made the decision to start the debate with me to begin with.

Chicago wrote on 11/07/09 at 9:31pm:

Thank God guys. I can't believe this stupid thread is back. I must have bumped 15 different threads this week to try to bury this bastard and you guys bring it right back to the top!

So you bumped up 15 dead threads so one thread would die? That makes no sense.

Anyway, I think we've all learned that you should be dismissive of wrestlers you don't like and blindly back wrestlers that you do.

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Reply #71 - 11/08/09 at 12:58pm

CenaSucks wrote on 11/08/09 at 11:25am:

My arguement was around HBK being the best,the way to prove that is to prove how the guys you listed were worse.

But your fundamental argument was just being dismissive of everybody else.

Even if HBK is your favorite wrestler you should still be able to differentiate between better talkers and workers, currently. You're love of HBK is as obvious as your disdain for Bret Hart, Rey Mysterio & John Cena.

CenaSucks wrote on 11/08/09 at 11:25am:

And also,if you know your incorrect about something,why bother to continue with it?

I said it was possible I was incorrect. It's always possible that somebody can be correct.

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RØßÓ An Icon Offline HARDY WILL NOT DIE! Posts: 3746 Rochdale UK Gender:	Re: HBK's WWE Future Reply #72 - 11/09/09 at 4:51pm Ok guys this is turning into an argument so let's all stop it now Y2Jake I hope our debates didn't give you a wrong impression of me so I hope we can get along, after all it's a forum
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Reply #73 - 11/09/09 at 10:30pm

Y 2 Jake wrote on 11/08/09 at 12:58pm:

CenaSucks wrote on 11/08/09 at 11:25am:

My arguement was around HBK being the best,the way to prove that is to prove how the guys you listed were worse.

But your fundamental argument was just being dismissive of everybody else.

Even if HBK is your favorite wrestler you should still be able to differentiate between better talkers and workers, currently. You're love of HBK is as obvious as your disdain for Bret Hart, Rey Mysterio & John Cena.

CenaSucks wrote on 11/08/09 at 11:25am:

And also,if you know your incorrect about something,why bother to continue with it?

I said it was possible I was incorrect. It's always possible that somebody can be correct.

Yeah guys, i mean. he is all old and stuff. he MUST be right. and stuff.???

I truthfully don't expect shawn being here for another 5 years... he's getting to that age now where his body will be giving out on him and sooner or later it will hurt him mentally and he will eventually just stop... ALTHOUGH I believe he will still be like Ric flair and always pop in now and then... he has the heart of his first 5 years, but the body of a weakened man.

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Reply #74 - 11/10/09 at 7:36am

RØßÓ wrote on 11/09/09 at 4:51pm:

Ok guys this is turning into an argument so let's all stop it now

The thread hadn't been touched in days, so I'm not sure how it was turning into an argument. It wasn't an argument anyway, certainly not on my side. It was a difference of opinion. It defeats the purpose of a forum if everybody agrees.

RØßÓ wrote on 11/09/09 at 4:51pm:

Y2Jake I hope our debates didn't give you a wrong impression of me so I hope we can get along, after all it's a forum

It's not important if we don't agree. You can say whatever you like to me, It doesn't effect me.

Jerichofan123 wrote on 11/09/09 at 10:30pm:

Yeah guys, i mean. he is all old and stuff. he MUST be right. and stuff.???

25 is only old if you're young.

Jerichofan123 wrote on 11/09/09 at 10:30pm:

he has the heart of his first 5 years,

Even HBK admits that's not true.

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